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> There are 11 messages totalling 451 lines in this issue.
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> Topics in this special issue:
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> 1. CHAT: When will we learn...
> 2. no camera within arms reach
> 3. Chat: What's a GSD?
> 4. first foster
> 5. CHAT: Beauty's Gotcha day
> 6. CHAT: where's the mail??
> 7. CHAT: How do we warn each other?
> 8. CHAT, SPECIAL: Signing off the list for a bit.
> 9. CHAT: Swimming
> 10. MEDICAL: Ehrlichia/Babesia titers (1997)
> 11. Medical, Chat: LP list
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> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:39:25 -0400
> From: Nancy Beach <romansperson@DOG.COM>
> Subject: Re: CHAT: When will we learn...
>
> My response follows Jan's message for full context:
>
>> ===== Original Message From Jan Woll <rmgajan@EARTHLINK.NET> =====
>> One of my friends called at 10:00 Monday night in a panic. Her almost 10
> year old greyhound was screaming when she attempted to lie down and one of her
> back legs almost collapsed. She was panting, wouldn't lie down, was
>> acting pretty miserable.
>>
>> So, off to the doggie ER we went. When greyhounds scream, it gets to me
> pretty easy, I guess. The ER vet says he can't find anything wrong, but then,
> I should have realized, the guy looked like he was about 15 years old, I'm not
> even real sure he was shaving yet. (Have you ever noticed the vets, doctors,
> police officers, lots of folks seem to be looking awful young these day!)
> Anyway, Dr. very young said he thought it was a case of gas and stomach upset.
> So, OK, x-rays, fluids, blood test.... three hours
>> later, home we all went.
>>
>> Next day, she is still at it, the occasional scream, walking funny, won't lie
> down, she went to her regular vet, again, x-rays, physical exam, all that
> stuff. NOTHING. Maybe it was a spasm or something.
>>
>> So, it's now Friday, Paws did it again last night, and tonight we decided to
> have Paws' old trainer look at her. Took the trainer about 5 minutes to find
> a tear in one of her muscles.
>>
>> So, 2 sets of x-rays, 2 blood tests, all kinds of poking, and $450+ later,
> and the trainer finds the problem.
>>
>> OK, so next time, we stop at the kennel on the way to the ER!
>>
>> Jan Woll
>
> Jan,
>
> I am very glad to hear that Paws' trainer helped find her problem. I hate when
> my dogs are in pain.
>
> However, your observation doesn't help the rest of us much when we live in
> non-racing states where we don't have access to a dog's old trainer, even if
> we know who that is. We have to rely on vets who know what they are doing when
> it comes to greyhounds, and it often seems to me on this List that there is an
> impression that there is no such thing. I believe that is absolutely wrong.
>
> While I have some weird mixed feelings about the whole thing, many vets get
> their vet school exam/testing experience on greyhounds who reside in-house at
> the vet schools. They learn the art of the physical exam on greyhounds, and
> they have hounds who serve as blood donors. When I took my Rob to get
> acupuncture, the vet who did the acu on him said that it was like "coming
> home" because the practice subjects they had at the acu school she went to
> were greyhounds. Good for Rob; good for the other hounds? I don't know.
>
> Also, one must realize, young vets are like any other inexperienced person in
> any profession, and they need to learn and gain experience. It's not their
> fault they don't start out as experts. Trainers aren't experts at the start of
> their careers either. In addition, young vets can actually be a good thing,
> despite what your friend experienced, because they happen to learn new and
> better techniques of treating problems than their forbears and once they have
> pinpointed a problem, can offer better treatments than were once offered for
> the same problem.
>
> I happen to be lucky enough here to be in close proximity to an excellent vet
> school whose graduates tend to stay close to home. My JC, who has osteo,
> experienced a similar episode to what you say Paws had. Our vet accurately
> diagnosed his problem as a groin pull, much to our relief, because of course
> the other alternative was a spread of the cancer. JC got the appropriate
> treatment quickly and is fine. His trainer is no longer in business as far as
> I know and I have no idea where he is now. I'd also wager he has never dealt
> with an osteosarcoma dog and wouldn't have a clue if it was a simple muscle
> pull or metastasis.
>
> So, I'd say in a big way, YMMV ... and search long and hard in your area for
> the best vet you can find and afford.
>
> Nancy in Hillsborough, NC
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:52:23 -0400
> From: Rob & Nancy Simmonds <2greyhounds@GLBLNET.COM>
> Subject: no camera within arms reach
>
> It is Saturday night. Dogs and dog beds take up most of the living room
> floor space. Getting to the kitchen for a snack, drink of water, or
> whatever, takes enormous skill and balance. While sitting on the sofa
> watching TV, I look down at Brickle. He is laying on his bed at my feet
> with one paw resting on his cheek just under his eye. I signaled to Nancy
> to look. Her camera has no film and mine is somewhere on the front porch.
> If I move, he will move and the whole thing would be gone in a second. All
> I can do is just continue looking at him and hope that you will be able to
> visualize it for yourselves. Sure you can.
>
> Rob
> --
> A Full House
> Rob and Nancy Simmonds - a pair (Humans)
> Brickle, Rouletta, & Buddy - three of a kind (Greyhounds)
> Allen Park, MI 2greyhounds@glblnet.com
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> Brickle's Bakery Biscuits; resolve to remember to get treats for your
> dog(s)!
> www.bricklesbakerybiscuits.bigstep.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:28:12 -0600
> From: "Shapiro, Gary L" <gary.l.shapiro@LMCO.COM>
> Subject: Chat: What's a GSD?
>
> Kurious Kitson in Kentucky Kibitzed:
>> List members talk about their greyhounds, whippets, lurchers, but sometimes
>> say their dog is a GSD. Other than German Shepherd Dog, I can't come up
>> with an identifer. Help me out.
>
> Yes, it stands for German Shepherd Dog (The offical name of the breed)
>
> Gary Shapiro and the Garrison:
> Dot - 4-year-old Greyhound - aka The Queen of Sheba(Monarch of All She
> Surveys)
> Dash - 1 1/2-year-old GSD - aka The Big Slobbering Wimp (Fastest Tongue in
> the West)
> Allan - 4-year-old Greyhound - aka The Blue Bandit (The Thief of Kanab)
> Max and Willow (King of the GSDs and the Greyhound American Princess
> together again at the Bridge)
> http://www.abap.org/home/Gary6a76/index.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 04:54:33 -0400
> From: Kristina Hooper <kristinahooper@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: first foster
>
> My first foster girl, my first greyhound, is laying on my living room floor.
> She's a sweetie, and has already learned not to drag me around at the
> other end of her leash. She just keeps walking and walking like shes
> looking for something though. Maybe her grey friends.
>
> I got her at 1:30pm today, and it is now 10:30pm, and she hasn't peed yet.
> I've been taking her out everytime she gets up and paces. I'm going to have
> to go to bed soon though. Fortunately, we have the crate. She doesn't want
> to go in.
>
> She's two, black and white, and afraid of cats. So far, she's indifferent
> to the little dog next door, but he LOVES her. What a cutie. Not very
> cuddly yet, not following me around, but at least she does like to be
> petted. She prefers the floor to the couch, doesn't seem to like dog
> treats, and seems in general like she's not going to want to be a "normal"
> dog ;>
>
> She is facinated by the TV.
>
> What a silly. I think we'll get along just fine - I'd just rest so much
> easier if she would just PEE !
>
> (She is drinking)
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:16:53 GMT
> From: Richard Lobb <rlobb@CWCOM.NET>
> Subject: CHAT: Beauty's Gotcha day
>
> Hi All,
> It doesn't seem three years ago I decided to take Silver Soda
> home!:-)
> This is also on the topic of "chip or not?" although she
> wasn't fostered she was a dog I looked after at the kennels.
> Well anyway - I first saw her being carried - quaking - into
> the kennels as she was too scared to walk! I knew that she hadn't been
> ill-treated by the trainer or owner as I knew both people and had many
> dogs from both. She had always been totally scared of new situations -
> but was a *very* focused racer - with a *superb* racing record and an
> excellent lineage. It was supposed that she had been traumatised in
> some way in Ireland as she was the worst case of a "spooky" dog that
> the kennels had seen in some 30 odd years.=20
> Unfortunately she had very severely damaged her right thigh
> muscles - and could not race - and refused to come into season - so
> could not become a brood.
> When I first approached her in her kennel - she would drop
> into a quivering ball. She is a beautiful silver (blonde) brindle with
> well defined black stripes - I had not seen such a striking dog
> before. I spent a week just going into the kennel to clean and talked
> gently. After a further week I put a collar on - but she would not
> move - another week she would stand up. Eventually she would walk -
> but only backwards!!! Another three weeks went by before she would
> walk normally - and wave - not wag - her tail when she saw me! :-)
> Unfortunately (or fortunately) she was still a quivering ball
> for all the other kennel hands. On visiting day she would often hide
> under the bed in a heap. Another kennel hand suggested I took her home
> as she would not bond with anyone else - I had no intention of doing
> so because I already had what I considered then a full house of two
> dogs. However when I saw the prospective adopters who expressed an
> interest I found I couldn't let her go to a novice adopter - So I took
> her home.
> She settled in as though she had always been a house dog!! :-)
> She was clean in the house - although walking was a trial at first and
> she was very food protective - She was scared of everything - from
> cars to lampposts! She also did not answer to her kennel names of
> "Sylvie" or "Soda" - but did to "Beauty"! :-) Three weeks later she
> came into season for the first time! :-)=20
> She was spayed three months later -- now she is the clown of
> the family - bouncing all over the place - stealing stuffies - smiling
> all the time - jumps onto the couch - cockroaches - then *kicks* me to
> rub her tummy! :-) She even shares food!:-) She is an *excellent*
> guard dog.
> The down side? She is the most cat *unsafe* dog I've seen She
> is also *very* aggressive to *strange* large dogs. Small dogs are
> looked upon as food! - But I love her! :-) Would I do it again? Yes!!=20
>
> =20
> Richard from London UK -- rlobb@cwcom.net
> Ben, Beauty, Bessie (Brutus 1977 - 1997 @ RB)
> Greyhounds are for life not just for racing!!
> Walthamstow Homefinding Scheme
> Visit our Kennels http://www.greyhounds.cwc.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 10:29:15 EDT
> From: Anne Orth <Akkorth@AOL.COM>
> Subject: CHAT: where's the mail??
>
> I haven't received any list mail for 4 days - am missing the news!! Is
> anyone else on AOL that is not getting the list-mail??
> Please try e-mailing me privately and let me know what's going on!!
> Missing the news-
> Anne & Chandler(mocha lattes are my favorite)
> akkorth@aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:53:33 -0400
> From: Nancy Beach <romansperson@DOG.COM>
> Subject: Re: CHAT: How do we warn each other?
>
>> ===== Original Message From Ckgraham@RA.ROCKWELL.COM =====
>> I fell into something this week and it has really caused me to think long
>> and hard about what we, as adoption reps, must deal with when analyzing
>> applications. Am I right to believe that each of you has a clause at the
>> bottom of your application that says something to the effect...all info
>> contained in the app is true and if found to be otherwise, is grounds for
>> refusal? I guess I'd like to talk about lies and what I call lies of
>> omission. How do we find the truth? How do we find what's not there? My
>> main question is, how do we find out what other groups already know about
>> potential adopters?
>>
>> Before all of you adopters get up in arms, let me say that I believe most
>> people are truthful on their applications. Some, truthful or not, have
>> learned what answers to give by having talked to and applied to so many
>> groups. Others, who would not be given a dog by anyone if the truth were
>> known, simply lie or omit information.
>>
>> If you do long-distance adoptions or are in the midwest, I have some
>> verifiable information you should have. I don't know how else to
>> disseminate such information. I have learned that we groups have got to
>> talk (to each other) more!
>>
>> Kelly in Ohio
>> mailto:ohiogreyounds@yahoo.com
>>
> Kelly,
>
> This is a real good point. I can only tell you what the group I have been
> affiliated with does.
>
> If the people applying are from another area where our placement rep knows
> there are other adoption groups, she asks why they aren't adopting from a
> group closer to them. If she gets the least little weird vibe from the
> peoples' answer, she calls the groups in their area and asks if they received
> an application from the people in question and what happened. If the answer
> isn't good, then she tells them she really thinks they should try adopting
> from a closer group and leaves it at that.
>
> This helps keep our group from making mistakes as far as who to adopt dogs out
> to, but it doesn't help much as far as warning other groups who the people may
> go to next. I seem to recall some discussion on this List earlier about some
> way to have a central database of people who shouldn't be adopted to, but I
> don't think anyone knows what the legal ramifications of such a thing would
> be.
>
> So it's probably up to the individual adoption group who does long-distance
> adoptions to call up and have some conversations with other groups who are
> closer to the adopter's home to see if there's any info floating around about
> them. Maybe groups could even offer to cooperate and do home checks and
> follow-ups for others who do long-distance adoptions. I know with special
> needs dogs, it sure helps to open up the adoption area for them to increase
> their chances of getting a home.
>
> Nancy in Hillsborough, NC
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:14:44 -0400
> From: Nancy Beach <romansperson@DOG.COM>
> Subject: CHAT, SPECIAL: Signing off the list for a bit.
>
> I'm going to be signing off the List for awhile, so if there's any GURs that
> get posted or anything I can help out with, just email privately.
>
> Nancy in Hillsborough, NC
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> woof! woof! I'm @dog.com
> Get your free @dog e-mail at http://www.dog.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:59:05 -0500
> From: Cindy Victor <cindyvictor@EARTHLINK.NET>
> Subject: CHAT: Swimming
>
> To C. Pallai, who wants to introduce her pup to swimming, and asked about
> good experiences~~
>
>
>
> We live next to a lake, and our dogs love the water. (They're on
> lead, of course.) Earl is happy to just stand and soak, but doesn't mind if
> he has to swim. Sequel, on the other hand, would have a hard time deciding
> whether swimming or a car ride provides the greyter joy.
>
>
>
> Cindy in Minnesota
>
>
>
> ---
>
> --- cindyvictor@earthlink.net
>
> --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:26:54 EDT
> From: Suzanne Stack DVM <Yumadons@AOL.COM>
> Subject: MEDICAL: Ehrlichia/Babesia titers (1997)
>
> Found this on Veterinary Information Network circa 1997:
>
> Greyhound Friends for Life (No. Ca.) tested 366 greyhounds. 52 dogs tested
> positive for Ehrlichia with titers ranging from 1:20 to 1:327,680 these dogs
> were from: Tuscon (26), Phoenix (12), and Caliente (14). 196 dogs tested
> positive for babesia with titers ranging from 1:40 to 1:20,480 they were
> from: Tucson (116), Phoenix (46), Caliente (28), Florida (3), Oregon (1) and
> California (2). 17 dogs were positive for Rocky Mt. Spotted Fever with titers
> from 1:20 to 1:320 they were from: Tucson (11) and Caliente (6).
>
> Mich REGAP in Rosevill tested 22 greyhounds, 17 were positive for babesia
> with titers from 1:20-1:2560 they were from Juarez and West Virginia. 1 dog
> was positive for Ehrlichia with a titer of 1:1280 it was from W. Virginia.
>
> Greyhounds of Distinction in No. Carolina (no figures for total number
> tested), 6 dogs were positive for babesia 5 were from Florida, 1 was from
> Kansas. 1 dog was positive for both babesia and Ehrlichea from Florida, 1 dog
> was positive for Rocky Mt. Spotted Fever from texas. The titers ranged from
> 1:40 to 1:640.
>
> Greyhound Friends Northwess in Issaquah, Washington Hal's new group. Tested 8
> dogs and all were positive for babesia.
>
> WAG in Connecticut tested 5 dogs all were positive for babesia. They were
> from Lakes Region track in Belmont New Hampshire, and Waterloo, Iowa, and
> Plainnfield Conn. (2 from Plainfiend, 2 from Belmont and 1 from Iowa).
>
> Greyhound Companions of Missouri in St. Louis tested 14 dogs and 10 were
> positive for babesia and 1 was positive for RMSF. The dogs were from Iowa
> (9), Kansas (2), Texas (1), and Mexico (2). Titers ranged from 1:40 to 1:640.
>
> Greyhound Racers Recycled in Hoffman Estates Illinois tested 24 greyhounds.
> 12 were positive for babesia, one was positive for ehrlichia and 1 had both
> diseases. The positive dogs were from Iowa (4), Wisconsin (4), Colorado (3),
> and Missouri (1), with two dogs being from unknown origins. The titers ranged
> from 1:20 to 1:320.
>
> St. Louis REGAP tested 21 dogs from Texas (20) and Missouri (1) 14 tested
> positive for Babesia with titers ranging from 1:40 to 1:2560. 1 Greyhound
> tested postive for RMSF with a titer of 1:120.
>
> Arizon Greyhound Rescue tested 53 greyhounds all from Tucson. 27 were
> positive for babesia with titers from 1:40 to 1:2560, 8 were positive for
> ehrlichea with titers from 1:20 to (hang on sounds like the winner for
> highest titer!!!) 1:1,310,720!!!!!!!, and 1 was positive for Cocci, a fungal
> disease known as Valley Fever.
>
> Suzanne Stack, DVM
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:00:08 -0400
> From: shirazois <shirazois@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
> Subject: Medical, Chat: LP list
>
> Someone was looking for info on LP. Here is the url for the email list. It
> is very informative. I will send more info about this later.
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5102/LP.html
>
> Take care, Lisa^^
> Halfpint^^Haven Borzoi and Greyhound Rescue and Adoption
> Jacksonville, Florida
> * One Starfish at a Time *
> Please visit our Jaxgreys group:
> www.geocities.com/Jaxgreys
>
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