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There are 15 messages totalling 485 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. My suggestion for the AOL users
2. chat, help: track adoption programs
3. Chat: Track Adoptions (2)
4. CHAT:Re: Lurchers
5. CHAT: DOG DEFINITIONS
6. Track Adoptions
7. CHAT: BUNNY RUN COLLARS ARE IN!!!!!
8. chat: fecal incontinence
9. CHAT: Track adoption
10. Chat, Resource: Gang Auction
11. MEDICAL, CHAT: Fecal incontinent?
12. CHAT: Track adoptions
13. check out our new website
14. Chat, Help, Special: Track adoption kennels
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:55:50 +0000
From: Brian Moake <brian.moake@ATT.NET>
Subject: My suggestion for the AOL users
My best suggestion would to upgrade your ISP (to
anything!!!)
That isn't feasible for some, so I would suggest going
to any of the thousands of free E-mail account providers
like Yahoo and get an account that you can access from
any internet connection at any time from anywhere.
> Hi,
> Whoever had the idea to post some digests of greyhound-l on the webpage,
> thank you!! I hope it will be done again. We who have AOL are still not
> getting mail. I got 3 digests on Sunday and celebrated. The celebration was
> premature. I haven't gotten any since. Anyway, I do thank the administrators
> for posting some, so we AOLers can get our "fix".
> Eileen
> Who will not get to see if this is posted. :-(
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:53:23 -0700
From: Suzanne Waldenberger <suzanne@FOLKLORIST.ZZN.COM>
Subject: Re: chat, help: track adoption programs
>Unless all prospective adopters were entered into a central
>data-base and this was searched each and every time. These things
>will happen. Such a database would probably be illegal.
But it really wouldn't be that unreasonable for those groups
approached by someone from far away, as in this case where the
adoptor was three states away from the adoption program, to find out
why the potential adoptor didn't go to a local group. If there is a
local group, of course. And to contact those local groups to find
out why the adoptor didn't get a dog from them. The Greyhound
Project site makes that really easy, and it just makes sense. But
that is predicated on the assumption that the adoption group is doing
any kind of check on the adoptor.
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:27:15 -0700
From: Jan Woll <rmgajan@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Chat: Track Adoptions
> I am not trying to start a debate, but I have a
serious question regarding
> the screening practices of Track adoption kennels.
Me, either, but I have to ask...
Is there an adoption group out there that can honestly
say they have never adopted to someone and later
regretted it?
Is there a group out there that has never been lied
to?
Is there a group out there that has never adopted to
what looked like the perfect people, only to discover
they lost their minds, or brains, a year later?
References are good. Education is good. But give me
the people who will sit down in the turnout pen with 3
or 4 'hounds and let them slobber all over them
anytime.
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:29:30 -0700
From: David Sullivan <sullivand@MY-DEJA.COM>
Subject: CHAT:Re: Lurchers
Lois Grafton writes:
>the true definition of a lurcher is a cross
>between a greyhound and any other breed of dog
Umm, well, here in Britain lurchermen think a lurcher
is a cross between a coursing dog (typically a greyhound,
yes, but also deerhound, whippet, saluki, borzoi, you name it)
and a working dog (collie, Bedlington terrier, Norfolk droving dog,
Old English Sheepdog, you name it again).
Your typical lurcher is a collie/greyhound cross, but some
people swear by a percentage of deerhound (to roughen the coat).
The point of a lurcher is to cross the fantastic mental ability
and stamina of the collie with the speed of the greyhound.
A cross between two coursing dogs (saluki/greyhound,
whippet/greyhound) is called a longdog, by the way.
Best regards,
Dave (my last dog was a lurcher <sigh> )
[met a lurcher a couple of weeks ago that was the absolute image
of my boy Maximus except that it had a broader head and a stripe
of rougher fur down its back. Lord knows what its parentage was -
it came from the rescue.]
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:14:38 -0700
From: Laurie Drew <LDrew@CITYSEARCH.COM>
Subject: CHAT: DOG DEFINITIONS
I can add one...
TOYS: Everything. The best are ones your humans have tried to put out of
your reach. It is essential that these are taken out to the yard. If your
toy is one of those things your humans wear under their clothes, be sure to
run and toss it in the air in front of neighbors.
Laurie, Sapphire, & Argus
Pasadena, CA
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"my goal in life is to become the person my dogs think I am"
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Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:40:19 -0700
From: Denise Anderson <danderson@IDIMENSIONS.COM>
Subject: Track Adoptions
Our sweet boy, Kid Warrior, was originally adopted straight from the =
track. His original "parents" adopted him after an evening of gambling. =
So, apparently in West Virginia (where Kid raced) there is not a very =
adequate screening process. After a year, they decided they didn't want =
him anymore. Luckily they contacted Greyhound Adoption of Ohio and my =
husband and I have been blessed with his presence for 3 years now. I'm =
sure that there are some tracks out there who do screen applicants as =
they should be. But IMHO, for the most part adoptions should be left to =
the groups who are devoted to placing these dogs into the loving, =
permanent homes they deserve.
Love my grey!
Denise
www.idimensions.com/kidwarrior
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:09:20 -0000
From: Kristen Babicki <blueeyedluck@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: CHAT: BUNNY RUN COLLARS ARE IN!!!!!
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:01:58 -0400
From: Kathy Johnson <conuremom@HOME.COM>
Subject: chat: fecal incontinence
Jennifer wrote:
>My (almost) 13 year old girl, Lily, has started pooping in the house.
>Previously very well housebroken, this is getting quite frustrating!
>She gets taken out very frequently and stays out quite a while. Once back
>in the house she starts her "poop walk". It's almost as if she doesn't
>realize she had/has to go! Healthwise she is in very good shape.
>She's on generic Vasotec for her heart, glucosamine and missing link.
>All poop is solid (thankfully!) Any words of wisdom?
Love her and put down lots of washable rugs.
Seriously, she may NOT know she has to go. I'm having the same problem with
Snow,
age 12. Her problem partly stems from nerve damage to her hindquarters from
the
ruptured
disks in her neck. She can't always feel when she needs to poop in time to
get
outside. Sometimes she doesn't even realize she's gone until she turns
around
and finds it. She's obviously quite embarassed when she finds that she's
pooped,
and she's taken to eating it if she finds it before I do, to try to hide the
fact. The worst is when she actually poops in her sleep and wakes up all
messy.
Poor thing, I feel so bad for her, but there's nothing I can do to fix the
problem.
What I've been doing to try to at least cut down on the mess cleanup is to
feed
Snow earlier in the evenings and get her outside several times before bed. I
also whisk her right outside after every time she eats, and I try to get her
to
walk around the yard a few times so she gets a little exercise to stimulate
her
bowels to move. If I know she's pooped outside, *usually* that will buy us a
few
hours she can stay indoors before her next trip outside.
I have read about a technique that supposedly helps the dog to re-learn to
tighten the rectal sphincter muscles, but I have not tried it with Snow. It
involves pressing gently at the top of the rectum in the "12 o'clock"
position
for about2 minutes at a time, a couple times a day to stimulate the dog to
tighten those muscles. This is supposed to help the dog learn what it feels
like
to tighten those muscles that control the bladder and bowels. Similar to the
"Kegel exercises" for women. The info on this came from another list I was
on.
The person who created
this technique is Daniel Kamen,DC, author of "The Well Adjusted Dog".
Dr.Kamen
calls it the Logan Basic Method (Ligament Push). But like I said, I've
never
tried this with Snow.
I guess I would say to just treat Lily more like a pup that can't hold it.
Help
her to try to be clean, but be forgiving when she can't. When people get
old,
sometimes they become incontinent--why should dogs be any different? It's
sad to
see, and yes, it can be a huge nuisance, but sometimes they just can't help
it.
--Kathy Johnson
Feathered Gems Greyhound Jewelry
http://www.featheredgems.com
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:14:50 -0400
From: Melissa Jones <roo_hound@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: CHAT: Track adoption
Mary Ann wrote:
My thinking is that I'd prefer to adopt from a track.
I want to be the first real home in my dog's life, his
or her first non-track owner. I don't want to
separate a dog from his/her foster home.
My two cents.....if you've never had a greyhound before, I would definitely
want a dog who's been in a foster home. Four of my 6 came from GPA/GO and
had greyt foster care. Two of mine came from our not-no-kill humane society
and had never seen a home before. The foster care pups came in and settled
in with few, if any, problems, while the non-fostered pups have definitely
been a challenge! Challenge is being kind---when I first brought Scooby and
Smokey home I kept alternating between the phrases "No," "Stop that," and my
personal favorite, "Would you please not hump that?!?" (in their defense,
they had just been neutered <g>). I had to teach them everything from
scratch and it's a lot of work. Not that you won't have work to do with a
fostered pup, but non-fostered pups are just a lot more work.
To me, the only drawback of adopting a pup that's been in foster care is
that there will more than likely be a watershed of tears between you and
the foster parents. It's tough on you because you feel like you're taking
their baby and it's tough on them because you are taking their baby :) It's
a very bittersweet time.
Best of luck on whatever you decide!
:) Melissa & Co
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:13:40 -0600
From: Claudia <claudia@GREYHOUNDGANG.COM>
Subject: Chat, Resource: Gang Auction
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:28:15 -0700
From: "Burnham, Patricia G SPK" <PBurnham@SPK.USACE.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: MEDICAL, CHAT: Fecal incontinent?
Two things happen with these old timers. It is all caused by the
degeneration of the nerves that communicate from the back end to the brain.
With age the nerve transmission decreases and this is of of reasons that old
dogs and people lose the use of their hind legs. But before that the
decreased nerve transmission means that old dogs have a very short time
before knowing they need to defecate and actually starting to do so. That
may not give them time to get all the way out of the house. They tend to
leave a trail behind them as they try to get out. In advanced cases the dog
actually does not realize that it is defacating becuase no sensations are
transmitted to the brain. At this point I recommend a vinyl beanbag bed,
covered with a washable fleece, located near a dog door. My old folks dog
door is great dane sized and positioned close to the ground. Easy for the
old folks to stagger through. And a dog food that produces firm stools.
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:08:54 -0700
From: Denise Anderson <danderson@IDIMENSIONS.COM>
Subject: CHAT: Track adoptions
Our sweet boy, Kid Warrior, was originally adopted straight from the =
track. His original "parents" adopted him after an evening of gambling. =
So, apparently in West Virginia (where Kid raced) there is not a very =
adequate screening process. After a year, they decided they didn't want =
him anymore. Luckily they contacted Greyhound Adoption of Ohio and my =
husband and I have been blessed with his presence for 3 years now. I'm =
sure that there are some tracks out there who do screen applicants as =
they should be. But IMHO, for the most part, adoptions should be left =
to the groups who are devoted to placing these dogs into the loving, =
permanent homes they deserve.
Love my grey!
Denise
www.idimensions.com/kidwarrior
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:30:59 -0400
From: Jennifer Watkins <jwatkin@BEECHMONTPRESS.COM>
Subject: Chat: Track Adoptions
In response to Myke Stewarts comments to my post:
> Sounds to me like she laid the big "guilt trip" on you and you fell for it
> like a ton of bricks!!! It sounds to me she got the dog home and was too
> lazy to drive back three states to return the dog. Sounds to me like you
> were an easy out and she used you. Sounds to me like you're right, she
> shouldn't have had a dog in the first place.
>
We do rescue - it dosen't matter from where the dog came or how. She did
not "guilt trip" me into taking the dog. She said the dog needed to be gone
by the time she left for work in the morning. To me, that implies the dog
would either go to a shelter or be dumped. Neither of those options appeal
to me. I have learned through doing rescue that once someone has decided
they don't want the animal, you either take the animal or you don't. I
would rather take them and know they are safe than to worry about their
whereabouts.
> Did it say on the application, "My husband doesn't want a dog"?
> People say
> all sorts of crap and you have to take what they say and digest it. Some
> people are consumate liars and actors.
In my initial phone conversation we discussed her desire to adopt. I asked
if she had discussed her decision with her family. She offered me that her
husband did not want a dog and it was for her. It was yet another reason
she was declined by our group. Perhaps she wouldn't had offered the
information if I had not asked, true, but that was just one of several
reasons she was declined. I am concerned that none of those flags were
raised at the track adoption kennel.
Of course, every group has returns. I did not imply otherwise. We do
however take great pains to avoid them.
Jennifer Watkins
Shamrock Greyhound Placement
Louisville, KY
http://www.greyhoundsofshamrock.org
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:09:51 -0600
From: Black Dog Hill <koenenb@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Subject: check out our new website
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:46:05 -0400
From: Jennifer Watkins <jwatkin@BEECHMONTPRESS.COM>
Subject: Re: Chat, Help, Special: Track adoption kennels
Ellen wrote:
> Like all things in life, the quality greatly varies from track to
> track, as
> is the case with private adoption groups.
>
At Ellen's suggestion I did contact the adoption kennel. I asked what their
requirements were for adoption. My response - and I quote - "There really
are no requirements." This concerned me so I inquired what if I got the dog
home to Kentucky and I decided I didn't want it. I was told that 'wouldn't
happen.' Further dismayed I asked, but what if it did. I was told that she
would find someone to take the dog, not that the dog had to be returned to
them. Of course I was still stunned by the "no requirements" statement at
this point. It made me concerned that our adoption groups puts so much time
and effort into finding good homes and matching the right dogs when all you
have to do is drive to West Memphis, fill out some paperwork and drive home
with a dog.
Greyhound rescue has never been a numbers game for me. I would rather place
1 in a good home, then 10 in questionable ones.
Jennifer Watkins
Shamrock Greyhound Placement
Louisville, KY
http:www.greyhoundsofshamrock.org
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