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> There are 11 messages totalling 448 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. Event: Great Lakes Greyhound Gathering
> 2. TGS Meet & Greet @ Petsmart, Cary, NC, Sun. 5.27.01, Noon - 4pm
> 3. CHAT: Re: Dogs Left Outside
> 4. CHAT: Bunny Run is Missing too!
> 5. Debate: Personal Opinions
> 6. CHAT, DEBATE: re: dogs kept outside
> 7. CHAT: What worm hole, Dr. Spock?
> 8. MEDICAL: Loosing Dogs/Anesthesia
> 9. CHAT: Adopt This Sweet Senior
> 10. CHAT: Socks' Birthday
> 11. Chat: dogs kept outside
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> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:56:27 -0700
> From: W&C McCrory <mccroryw@PARRETT.NET>
> Subject: Event: Great Lakes Greyhound Gathering
>
> Just a reminder for those of you planning to attend the Great Lakes
> Greyhound Gathering June 22, 23, and 24.
>
> The hotels that have been holding blocks of rooms for GLGG have now released
> them back into their general room pools. However, some have said they will
> still honor the agreed to prices if they have rooms available. As this is
> the height of tourist season in our beautiful community of St. Joseph/Benton
> Harbor on Lake Michigan, hotel rooms go very quickly. Plan on making your
> reservations as soon as possible and be sure to mention you are attending
> the Great Lakes Greyhound Gathering.
>
> For registration, hotel, vendor and event information, visit the GLGG
> website at:
>
> http://www.qtm.net/~sburkhard/glgg.htm
>
> We're looking forward to seeing you for a fun filled weekend!
>
> Cindy, Connie, Cammie and Sue
> Great Lakes Greyhound Gathering
> Committee
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:16:08 -0400
> From: "Joanna Wolfe (919)677-0977" <wolfe@OUP-USA.ORG>
> Subject: TGS Meet & Greet @ Petsmart, Cary, NC, Sun. 5.27.01, Noon - 4pm
>
> Triangle Greyhound Society will be hosting a Meet and Greet
> at PetSmart in Cary. PetSmart is located in the shopping
> center that has BJ's Warehouse - across from Home Depot.
> Take the Walnut Street exit from 1/64. Details below:
>
> What: Meet and Greet
>
> Venue: PetSmart
>
> Where: Off Walnut Street in BJ Warehouse Shopping Center, Cary
>
> Date: Sunday, 5.27.01
>
> Time: Noon to 4pm
>
> For more information, contact:
>
> Joanna Wolfe
> wolfe@oup-usa.org
>
> We'll see you there!
>
> For more information regarding upcoming events and activites,
> check out the Triangle Greyhound Society website at:
>
> http://www.trianglegreyhound.org
>
> Upcoming events:
>
> 6.2.01 Meet and Greet @ Pet Supermarket, Raleigh
> 6.3.01 Meet and Greet @ Pet Supermarket, Durham
> 6.10.01 Meet and Greet @ PetSmart, Garner
> 7.21.01 TGS Summer Potluck!
>
> Regards,
>
> Joanna Wolfe
> & Andre
> & sometimes Bear
>
> www.trianglegreyhound.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:39:53 EDT
> From: Jennifer Costa <FishGirl79@AOL.COM>
> Subject: CHAT: Re: Dogs Left Outside
>
> Cindy Brooks wrote: He would totally ruin a house if left alone inside for
> even a minute but was o.k. outside. So the best thing for the dog was to
> leave him outside when we went to work or anywhere. Yes, we tied him, it
> was safer than risking him escaping if someone opened our gate or he decided
> to become a jumper. We tied him using the sled dog tie-out method which
> allows the dog movement without risk of being tangled. We made sure he had
> plenty of shelter from both cold and heat and we made sure he had plenty of
> water and food. We obviously couldn't be home 24/7 with the dog, so this
> was an alternative to making him suffer in the crate or house.
>
> Personally, I think a dog like this would benefit more from life with a
> stay-at-home individual, some desensitization, and a whole lot of love and
> attention -- I don't know the details so I can't say for certain how the
> situation would play out. Setting aside issues of weather and health, my big
> aversion to having a greyhound outside unattended rests on the fact that
> doing so leaves an open invitation for someone to steal or harm the dog while
> his/her humans are not at home -- it happens every day.
>
> Jennifer and the Greytdeer: Prancer, Vixen & Comet
> ...and Dasher at the Bridge
> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/fishgirl79/greyhound.html">Jennifer's
> Greyhound Site</A>
>
> "Demand often; be content with little; reward a lot." -- Faverot de Kerbrech
> (1891)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:35:10 -0000
> From: Kristen Babicki <blueeyedluck@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: CHAT: Bunny Run is Missing too!
>
> Bunny run is missing!!!
>
> to see if you can get in go to Yahoo.com and type in "bunny run" the second
> link down is the one you should be looking for.
> My computer couldn't open that one for some reason:(
>
> Maybe it will be back soon..
>
> Kristen
> Bye
> Seabrook, nH
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>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:56:32 -0700
> From: Cynthia Cash <greyarch@YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: Debate: Personal Opinions
>
> Hi All: My apologies for being such a short person,
> but I just have to pipe up for this one. LadyBob's
> post admonishing the new website for Michigan REGAP
> has me wondering......Her final comment was "Shame on
> you". Now I'm wondering, so I go to her website
> (www.geocities.com/ladybob2000).
> In her second paragraph she states, "Are greyhounds
> abused and/or destroyed? You bet they are!" She goes
> on to say "Keep an open mind".
> Maybe it's just me, but I'm picking up conflicting
> signals here.
> Cynthia Cash
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:07:01 -0400
> From: "Dr. Kopal Barnouin-Jha" <kopalb@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: CHAT, DEBATE: re: dogs kept outside
>
> Cindy Brooks said:
>
>> to become a jumper. We tied him using the sled dog tie-out method which
>> allows the dog movement without risk of being tangled. We made sure he had
>> plenty of shelter from both cold and heat and we made sure he had plenty of
>> water and food. We obviously couldn't be home 24/7 with the dog, so
>
> This is interesting -- how did you manage to have the dog outside, tied,
> with shelter against heat and cold? Just curious -- seems quite
> challenging!
>
> Is the sled dog tie-out method the line with a pulley?
>
>> If I have to choose between, crating my dog for 8 or more hours when I have
>> to work or leaving them outside where they have room to walk around, go
>> potty, enjoy the fresh air, etc. Guess what?... I think outside is better,
>> YES even in winter (ooooh, I'm gonna get slaughtered for coming out of
>
> How about a dog door instead? I don't like them much, but there are times
> I've wished I had them.
>
>> closet on that one!) As long as I'm sure the dogs are safe and comfortable
>> (whatever the weather) I think they are better off outside than cooped up
>> in
>> the house or in a crate.
>
> Do your greyhounds not need as much sleep as other greyhounds? Or do you
> think sleeping outside is just as good / better than indoors?
>
> If my dogs are outdoors, they tend to find a spot to lie down in fairly
> quickly, and one of them tries continuously to get back inside. Force of
> habit, perhaps..?
>
>> I DON'T AGREE WITH IT BUT IT HAPPENS. The track where our dogs come from
>> also leaves the dogs outside all year. My point is; as much as we
>
> So there aren't racing kennels at this track? Or are they just not heated?
> (This would be true of a lot of kennels as the dogs generate quite a bit of
> heat....so it's not as though they're truly outdoors.)
>
> Kopal
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:37:46 EDT
> From: Jonna Skehan <Jonnagrey@AOL.COM>
> Subject: CHAT: What worm hole, Dr. Spock?
>
> Seems the List fell off the face of the galaxy? Dang...did I miss anything
> good? We're coming in to the home stretch for the haul of the Broods & Two
> Boys out of Florida to Schenectady NY this Memorial Day weekend.
>
> Things have been--I'm told by greater minds than me--What They Will Be in
> such enterprises....but we'll be pulling out of there in the wee hours of
> Friday, and arriving in the wee hours of Saturday.
>
> Everyone please keep a good thought for the driver--Jim Muerette and his
> bride, Donna, and for the traveling hounds, three of who have seizure
> disorder, and many of whom are over seven. They'll be riding in air
> conditioned splendor, sipping on water and electrolytes during their escort
> to pet status.
>
> I'll post a big ole thank you once everyone has landed. But the first thanks
> go to Sherri at the farm who had the faith this event would work out, and to
> Joan T, who posted the appeal to the gh-List.
>
>
> jonna & the horde
> Greyhounds of Central New York, Inc.
> Liverpool, New York
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Our worst fear is not that we are inadequate,
> our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
> Nelson Mandela
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:34:36 -0500
> From: Arthur & Sharon Stefanski <SAStefanski@WEBTV.NET>
> Subject: MEDICAL: Loosing Dogs/Anesthesia
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was waiting to post this until I got specific permission from the vets
> office-Animal Medical Associates, Dr Harold Reece, DVM, Chicago, IL..
> Kristen is nearing her completion of vet school and also is Office Mgr
> at that office....<<Kristen wrote:
>
> It is important to realize that there are a million pre-sedatives
> available, and they are not all created equal. When researching this,
> people should ask what type of pre-anesthetic is used. Also, using a pre
> - anesthetic is NOT an indication of a lazy vet. Can you imagine the
> stress involved in masking down an animal? For the animal I mean.
> =A0=A0
> With the injection, sedation is immediate, and the animal can be
> intubated and connected to gas anesthesia and oxygen. When just masking,
> the animal is aware that they are slowly losing consciousness, and will
> struggle. This frightens them, which will increase their heart rate.
> It also could increase the chance of additional injury during a
> potential struggle. Imagine masking a 100 pound dog that "flips out".
>
> Also, the animal has a burning sensation in its bronchial airways from
> certain gas anesthetics. That info from the manufacturer of brand name
> Iso. Sevo does not have that side effect.
>
> Again, there are definite safety reasons to use pre-anesthetic
> injections. It has nothing to do with the hospital or vet being lazy.
> Other interesting questions to ask when conducting this research.... Was
> pre-anesthetic bloodwork performed?
> If so, what type, how many components were included? Was it just a blood
> chemistry, or did it include a CBC? How old were the patients?
> How was the patient monitored during the procedure? Was there a cardiac
> monitor or a pulse oximeter? There is a difference. What was in the
> pre - anesthetic injection? Was the pet weighed right before the
> procedure? Was there an IV catheter inserted in the pet? This helps
> save time when you have to administer life saving drugs.
>
> If an animal died, was it during or after the procedure? If after, did
> it ever fully recover? What type of gas anesthetic was used?
> Halothane, Iso, or Sevo? Did the vet perform a physical exam on the
> patient the day of the procedure?
>
> Obviously, there's a lot to this issue than just whether or not a pre -
> anesthetic was used.
> Kristen>>>
>
> Sincerely.....Sharon
>
> ~~High Tail Greyhounds' Manor~~
> Chesterton, IN
>
> Art and Sharon Stefanski,
> The High Tail Greyhounds Kacy and Roody.
> Our Guardian Angel Greyhounds, Josie and Pilot. . .Playing Together and
> Waiting at the Bridge!
>
> 'RACING GREYHOUNDS HAVE LIVED WITH A LOT OF ADVERSITY IN THEIR SHORT
> LIVES AND YET NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE AND MYSTIFY US.
> OUR LIVES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME NOW THAT WE HAVE LOVED THEM.'
>
> Please visit our Tribute site for Josie and Pilot at:
> http://community.webtv.net/SAStefanski/JOSIEandPILOT
>
> and our Health and Information site at:
> http://community.webtv.net/SAStefanski/THELEGACYJOSIELEFTUS
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:48:41 EDT
> From: Onequickk9@AOL.COM
> Subject: CHAT: Adopt This Sweet Senior
>
> Well, after much deliberation and agonizing, I've come to the realization
> that I'm not ready to chip at this point in time. Thanks to everyone who
> responded to my post and helped me see both sides of the issue.
>
> Since we are almost in the last week of May's "Adopt a Senior Month" I
> thought I'd post about my foster now. He's a handsome, sweet, fawn-brindle
> boy, in need of a good home.
>
> Baby is 7 years old. He lived in a home, for 3 1/2 years, with another breed
> of dog and 3 cats (yes, he's cat safe!) He was returned to the kennel through
> no fault of his own. The owner had a significant life change and needed to
> re-home him. Baby is wonderfully house-trained, walks great on a leash, and
> is a champion stuffie player. He loves to share a bite of your food, when
> you'll let him and has been known, now and again, to share the bed as well.
> He's a very happy, enthusiastic boy who loves to go for walks. A broken hock
> retired him. Surgery repaired the leg but on occasion it bothers him a bit
> (usually because he's banged it against something). This does not slow him
> down in the least! He bounds for the door when he hears the word walk!
>
> Baby also comes with quite the dowry! He's got his own bed, coat, fancy
> collar with a leash, a raised feeder and dishes, a food container, several
> toys and even booties!
>
> I hope to have a picture of him shortly. I had one taken and am waiting for
> it to be developed. He is quite handsome and has these great big "satellite
> dish" ears that stand straight up. Very cute!
>
> Check out all the senior goodies available to anyone adopting a senior before
> May ends:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7235/sr_goodies.html
>
> Please contact me at onequickk9@aol.com if you're interested in this lovely
> boy. He deserves a wonderful home.
>
> Melody
> and Cairo, and Baby - Foster #2
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:24:11 -0500
> From: Steve & Michelle Nesteby <thenest@ONEOTA.NET>
> Subject: CHAT: Socks' Birthday
>
> My Socks will be 10 years young on Friday. Happy Birthday Socks. We have had
> you with us for 8 wonderful years. Let's hope for several more.
>
> Michelle
> Decorah, Iowa
> Socks (the greyhound)
> Jack (the great dane - waiting for me at the bridge)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:56:24 +1000
> From: Anne P <doggone@CNL.COM.AU>
> Subject: Re: Chat: dogs kept outside
>
>>
>> If I have to choose between, crating my dog for 8 or more hours when I
> have
>> to work or leaving them outside where they have room to walk around, go
>> potty, enjoy the fresh air, etc. Guess what?... I think outside is
> better,
>> YES even in winter (ooooh, I'm gonna get slaughtered for coming out of the
>> closet on that one!) As long as I'm sure the dogs are safe and
> comfortable
>> (whatever the weather) I think they are better off outside than cooped up
> in
>> the house or in a crate.
>>
> My point is; as much as we love to
>> baby our greyhounds they are much tougher than we give them credit for and
>> can and do survive if left outside. Some dogs even prefer it, lounging
>> around in the sun or fresh air. They are, after all.....gasp, dogs (but
>> don't tell my sissy, bedhogs that, they think they are royalty.)
>>
>> running and ducking all the flames that are going to roast my A**
>> Cindy Brooks
>> Northwest Canadian Greyhound League
>>
>
> No flames from me Cindy, in fact I couldn't agree more. Though of course Sam
> has his choice of chairs etc to sleep on and when left outside is
> appropriately dressed. It is the norm for dogs to be left outside in my neck
> of the woods. Not that Sam is left outside that often but he has his kennel
> to get into, his trampoline bed etc. Sam is as spoilt as they come but I
> never lose sight
> of the fact he is first and foremost a DOG.
>
> also running and ducking! LOL
> Anne P
> Victoria
> Australia
> doggone@cnl.com.au
>
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>
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